At the start of the Channel 4 programme May v Corbyn Live: The Battle for Number 10 which started half an hour ago – it will finish at 10:00 – Jeremy Corbyn was asked a terrorism-related question. Within seconds he expressed sympathy for the ‘young women and girls’ who lost their lives in the recent Manchester suicide bombing. He didn’t consider the loss of (five) men’s lives even worth mentioning. What would it have taken for him to show sympathy for the ‘men, women, and children’ who died in the blast?
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Justice for Men & Boys 
Oh my God. This Corbyn chap is a dangerous man. If he becomes PM, the UK definitely is finished. He refuses to give a straight answer to the serious questions. I agree that we shouldn’t have got involved in Iraq and Libya, etc., but to imply there wouldn’t be a problem with terrorism here in the UK if not for interventions is either dishonest or ignorant. These events were happening before that ,and they happen in countries not involved in interventions in Islamic countries.
As bad as Theresa May is on feminist stuff, I actually think Corbyn would be worse. Completely ignoring the male victims says it all.
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May didn’t give any straight answers as well, both were the typical type of politician doing their typical answers. Same old same old.
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Well at least you acknowledge that nobody won, which is different from your last comment. “Who won?” is usually an impossible question to answer objectively. The people saying Corbyn won are the people who liked him and hated May going into the debate. Much of the dislike of May is simply the same old tribal red-blue class warfare, i.e. people living in the past and not realising the politics of today is very different from the 19th century.
For me, it’s who is the least worst. And that for me is May. What’s the point in voting for Brexit, then putting Corbyn into power? He’s flip-flopped on the issue over the years. At least May acknowledges it must happen as the people were promised it would if they voted for it. And no deal is better than a bad deal. Whereas Corbyn would keep us in unless we got all the benefits of being in the EU while not being in the EU, which the EU will not give us. So vote for Corbyn to stay in the EU, basically.
I’m so black pill about the UK’s future now. I think the masses are idiots. I’ve seen people say they will stop voting for the Tories and vote Labour because May supports a free vote on fox-hunting. This is insane to me. They will actually vote for a party on this one issue. They’ll ignore the mass genital mutilation of baby boys but get outraged over a few foxes being hunted by dogs. IF we brought wolves back to the British wild, would they protest wolves when they hunted foxes? It’s ridiculous. Some populations need culled, and I don’t see them complain when deer are culled. It seems to be inverted snobbery, i.e. those damned toffs with their bugles. One person even said to me it should be banned because the people hunting gain pleasure from the hunt! That’s absurd. Fishermen enjoy their job. Should hunting fish be banned?
I despair. The majority of the British public are so blind and brainwashed.
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I’ve voted up for your comment Lawrence because I agree wholeheartedly with most of what you say but not absolutely all of it.
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Thanks. What specifically didn’t you agree with? Fox-hunting?
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Yes but only partially and not from ‘inverted snobbery’.
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I generalised. I think the majority hate ‘toffs’, but some genuinely perceive it as cruel. I don’t like to see cruelty to animals, but I don’t see it as any more cruel than culling deer.
I believe that there’s a moral vacuum due to the left’s progressive destruction of traditional moral values and the void is being filled by animal worship. There are legions of modern women who suppress their desire to have kids due to feminist expectations, then end up with cats or rabbits as child substitutes.
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I’m like you “black pill” about UK’s future/masses are idiots… I feel like we are doomed about people wanting no deal with EU so I’ve lost faith in the population who think that… I 100% disagree with May’s no deal is better than a bad deal… as it’s pretty scary what will happen to us when we leave with no deal at all.
http://www.cer.org.uk/…/why-no-deal-would-be-much-worse…
This article gives a good overview of the problems it would cause to leave without a deal (even though technically speaking no deal is actually a deal lol) And as I said before this scares the shit out of me that it’s even considered a possibility.
The LSE did a study recently that claimed that even if we sign a FTA with every non-EU country in the world after leaving the EU our exports would still be down 6%. ( http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/…/global-trade-cant-replace-the…/ )
I’ve actually seen the opposite actually about people voting… I remember seeing on BBC interviewing old people when Tories came out with their Manifesto and they hated/disagreed with everything inside it… but they will still vote Tory… just ….
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You care too much about the mental masturbation of academics. They won’t stop selling to us or us to them. You should be more worried about the EU elites’ suicidal attitude to the ‘refugees’. Over a million were allowed into Germany alone within a year. There’s an estimated 6 million more coming this year and they refuse to secure the borders.
Employment and standard of living are of little value to the dead.
The LSE and CER are pro EU. Of course they’re going to paint a bleak picture as the EU is their religion. They aren’t going to be objective.
Yes, I’m voting Tory despite having to hold my nose because the alternative is horrifying. Corbyn is an anti-British terrorist sympathiser who will definitely open the borders. I know exactly what he is. He’s the enemy within.
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I’m not a fan of May, by any means, but her performance so far is rather impressive, though Corbyn set a very low bar. She might not be the most charismatic and likeable of people, but Corbyn is a zombified corpse in comparison; he looked like he was going to fall asleep.
We’re in the same position as the USA was last year. We have the choice between two incompetent and untrustworthy people, and May just happens to be the ‘least worst’, in my view, as Trump was.
I don’t understand why people generally distrust the Tories more than anyone else on the NHS. As I understand it, more privatisation of the NHS occured under Labour’s watch. Can anyone confirm that?
I wanted Andrea Leadsom to take over from Cameron. I warmed to her. I think the public in general would have liked her a lot more than May or Corbyn. She was also wholeheartedly in favour of leaving the EU.
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To me, Corbyn won the debate and my vote.
There is a reason why Theresa May avoided the televised debates, barred journalists that wanted to impartially cover her conferences, and only took pre-screened questions on TV. She’s weak when compared to a passionate and experienced left-winger like Corbyn and she thought that by avoiding confrontation, it would maximise her chances of securing a third Tory term.
May turned a 20 point lead over Labour and slashed it significantly before tonight. Then, she fumbled and made herself look like a buffoon to the point where the audience was laughing at her. Corbyn didn’t get heckled but she did.
Yes, immigration, terrorism and Brexit are important and divisive subjects, and May certainly won points for her more hardline stance, but I think the British people are fed up of privatisation and austerity and I actually think for once, opinion polls could slide into Labour’s favour.
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Well I don’t like either of them, but if Corbyn becomes PM, be prepared for the worst. Manchester Arena will look like an innocent fireworks display relative to what he’d preside over. He supports open borders.
I haven’t heard a reasoned argument as to why he allegedly won the debate. It seems to me that people just dislike May more and point and shout “Corbyn won” without any basis for such an assertion. I didn’t see a clear winner at all. I think it was same old same old. Corbyn was weak when it came to the Falklands and nuclear and the IRA/Hamas issue and refused to give a straight answer.
I don’t blame May for not wanting to be part of a TV debate because they invariably become shouting matches and she’s not that sort of person. Even in last night’s interviews, Paxman often refused to let either candidate answer the question, much like that infuriating Victoria Derbyshire.
All I know is that, while things like the stuff we talk about here are very important, e.g. men’s rights, none of it matters if we’re dead. And Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser who thinks Osama Bin Laden’s death was a tragedy. He would have handed the Falklands over to Argentina. He’s on record saying he supports open borders, and he refuses to acknowledge immigration is too high. Yes, the Tories have made promises on immigration and failed, but at least they acknowledge or pretend to acknowledge there is a problem. That gives me some hope, but when you have a marxist in power saying the whole world can come here while the indigenous people are being blown to smithereens, your country is officially over.
You might think by now I’m a fan of May because people tend to think in binary terms. I’m not. I see May as just another incompetent and weak establishment politician, but Corbyn makes her look like a strong competent patriot. I’d say vote May for a slow death, vote Corbyn for a quick death.
As for privatisation and austerity, most privatisation of the NHS was on Labour’s watch. Manufacturing output declined under New LAbour considerably while it increased, contrary to popular myth, under Thatcher, believe it or not. I disagree with neoliberalism because we end up with British businesses and property being sold off to foreign countries. But let’s not pretend this is just the Tories. Sure, you could say “well Corbyn is different”. Yeah? Well why did he stay with Labour from 1997 until 2010 while they outThatchered Thatcher on economics? He can’t be very principled after all. And as for austerity, what austerity? You mean trival things like bedroom tax? The real financial problems this country faces are due to mass immigration of unskilled labour pushing down wages and pushing up rents and house prices. You can’t import a city the size of Hull every year comprised of mostly unskilled workers and not suppress workers or push up rents and house prices. It’s basic supply and deman economics.
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Lawrence, I wish I could give you 1000 upticks for this.
Your views are very similar to mine, and regarding May, spot on.
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May just came off worse… although you wouldn’t know about it if you didn’t watch it as the “unbiased” BBC seems to just be hitting on Corbyn’s childcare stumble and not May’s several if you look on their website.
Annoyingly Corbyn did extremely well on the tv debate. I wanted to hate him but I can’t help but like everything he stands for. He seemed to actually be genuine with what he said.
Corbyn was hit harder by questions that would hurt him and came out better, when May had questions to her strengths and just didn’t seem right with me.
Not a single question on the state of NHS, Education and Policing for May from Paxman while Corbyn is grilled about the IRA, Osama Bin Laden and Falklands…. Figures really.
True they started it but Tory had done the most/majority… and I think Labour has changed… hell Labour created the NHS for instance if you going to put that into perspective.
I’m with you though neither of them is perfect and I’ll be voting on the one that I think is the best of a bad situation.
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You’d be better voting UKIP if you caree about national security. I can’t as they’re not standing where I am.
The free childcare crap is typical from a marxist. They want all women working and all kids being ‘looked after’ by the state. Be prepared for anti white male policies like you would not believe too, with the likes of fat Abbott in minister roles.
I feel like crying when I hear white men voting for the party that despises them
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‘ … securing a third Tory term.‘
Second, which cannot really be considered a second term after just two years of the first.
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I’d prefer a national, by which I mean England and not the ‘United’ Kingdom, move away from party politics and the return of genuinely independent MPs committed to substantial parliamentary and electoral reform, by which I do not mean any form of ‘PR’.
We urgently need a system by which MPS are genuinely accountable to and paid by their constituents.
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Corbyn – and the people around him – are unspeakable. That goes without saying. The choice between us is redolent of the decline of British society, the rise of feminism (as a cause and consequence), and the decline of western civilsation more generally. We are following Sweden to oblivion. Indeed in some ways we are even worse.
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The anger this attack generated in me was beyond anything I can recall. Then the leftist morons reacted in an all to predictable manner. And my anger increased.
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And in Jezza’s naked misandry (A self hating man?) you see the gynocentric attitude to men: we are supposed to suffer and die for the comfort, convenience, safety and security of women so when we do there is nothing to remark on. One the other hand, women must be protected at all costs so when they suffer and die it is a terrible tragedy at best and a terrible crime otherwise.
Labour won’t be getting my vote either. Nor will the Greens, Liberal Democrats or UKIP. My ballot paper will be defaced with something disqualifiable; I will write J4M+B on it and put a cross by that, and I urge other supporters to do the same.
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