‘Justice for Women’ removes its ‘Men, women and murder’ strapline

During last Friday’s Durham debate I talked about an organisation called ‘Justice for Women’ http://www.justiceforwomen.org.uk which I’d said had been launched many years ago, Julie Bindel being one of its co-founders. It’s ‘Welcome’ page starts with this:

Welcome to the website of Justice for Women, a feminist campaigning organisation that supports and advocates on behalf of women who have fought back against or killed violent male partners.

What would you think of ‘a campaigning organisation that supports and advocates on behalf of men who have fought back against or killed violent female partners’? Hopefully you’d be as horrified as we would be.

It’s known that the majority of perpetrators of unreciprocated intimate partner violence are women, as you’ll see on slide #7 from a presentation made last year by Dr Nicola Graham-Kevan, a recognised expert on domestic abuse and violence, based at the University of Central Lancashire:

140108 Nicola Graham-Kevan presentation, ‘Female perpetrators of intimate partner violence’

I said that beneath the sinister logo of ‘Justice for Women’ was this strapline:

Men, women and murder

On hearing this, Ms Bindel shouted, ‘Liar!’ or ‘Lie!’

A student in the audience googled ‘Justice for Women’ on his smartphone, and after the debate he went up to Ms Bindle to show her the strapline. I’m told she stormed off. He copied the image he captured that evening, and has since passed it on to us.

After the debate Ms Bindel and I had a discussion, and she said the website I was referring to wasn’t the website of the organisation she’d co-founded. We can’t find another British campaigning organisation with the same name, and here’s something. The strapline has just been removed from the website. An interesting attempt to rewrite the past. It’s like something out of Nineteen Eighty-Four. But thanks to the internet, we have proof of the strapline’s former existence:

https://web.archive.org/web/20111005171448/http://www.justiceforwomen.org.uk/

The strapline goes back some years. A newsletter from 2006:

140201 ‘Justice for Women’ newsletter, 2006

 

About Mike Buchanan

I'm a men's human rights advocate, writer, and publisher. My primary focus is leading the political party I launched in 2013, Justice for Men & Boys (and the women who love them). I still work actively on two campaigns I launched in early 2012, Campaign for Merit in Business and the Anti-Feminism League. In 2014 I launched The Alternative Sexism Project, aiming to raise public understanding that the sexism faced by men and boys has far more grievous consequences than the sexism faced by women and girls.
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  • As soon as I get access to a full web browser I shall be searching for the cached copy of the web page. Google keeps historical copies of every web page it interrogates so while it may have been removed, the history of its existence hasn’t been. I’ll keep you posted and of course supply relevant links should I find them so we can preserve it for posterity.

  • herbkr

    You got her bang to rights, Mike. She did shout “Liar” several times, and she did try to squirm out of what you were saying about her web site. I was there and saw and heard the whole episode. She was also close to losing it with the young man who so eloquently challenged her about not addressing the motion under debate. She was up on her feet and finger wagging and threatening him. As I heard someone close to me say, “She’s a nasty piece of work, isn’t she?” Couldn’t agree more.

  • While the strap line may have been removed, google doesn’t forget and keeps cached copies of all websites it interrogates when performing searches. The evidence has only been hidden, not removed. Below is a link to the cached copy.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:B54eBxFNYl4J:www.justiceforwomen.org.uk/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

  • Just had a look on archive.org which shows the phrase was in use not just last year, but way back in April 2012, so she can’t claim it’s a brand new addition:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120423210553/http://www.justiceforwomen.org.uk/

    Wonder when Mike’s gonna get a nice apology for being treated so terribly…

  • Update, it was there in October 2011 too:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20111005171448/http://www.justiceforwomen.org.uk/

    (unlike the Google caches. the archive.org pages will be kept permanently)

  • If you look closely at the new website logo, you can see where the tops of the two d’s in “Men, Women, and Murder” were before someone hastily cropped the old image to create the new one. Does anyone know how to request that the wayback machine crawl the site today? I would like to have a permanent record of this hack job.

  • herbkr

    I have a screen shot of the “About” page on justiceforwomen.org.uk where it clearly says, “Justice for Women was established in 1990 as a feminist campaigning organisation that supports and advocates on behalf of women who have fought back against or killed violent male partners.”

    Then, I went to Ms Bindel’s Wikipedia page where it says, “In 1990, Bindel was a co-founder of Justice for Women (JFW), a group which opposes violence against women from a feminist viewpoint.[10] ‘Justice For Women is a feminist organisation that campaigns and supports women who have fought back against or killed violent male partners’.[11] ”

    If, as you say Mike, she denied to you that this was the organisation she co-founded, methinks the lady is likely telling porkies. Sorry, the evidence seems irrefutable.

    • Thanks. Four days have passed since the debate, and STILL no admission that this is the organisation she co-founded. We were hoping that we might see the first admission by a prominent gender feminist that she’d made a misleading statement in public – by calling me a liar – but I guess we were being wildly optimistic. One day, maybe, a prominent gender feminist won’t be so shameless. Don’t hold your breath.

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  • There’s more information about the domain here:
    http://whois.domaintools.com/justiceforwomen.org.uk

    Apparently the registrant of the domain is one Cheryl Stafford. And the domain was created on June 25th 2000. There’s more information but I couldn’t find anything on Julie Bindel in it.

    Was going to post a link to web.archive too but hequal beat me to it.

  • She hardly strikes me as intelligent enough to register the domain herself, she would have to get that done by a third party. So who registered the domain is fairly inconsequential.

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