A Conversation with Paul Elam : Men’s Rights Movement, Gynocentrism & India | Ft. Vasanth Veluri

Enjoy (video, 1:07:02).

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3 thoughts on “A Conversation with Paul Elam : Men’s Rights Movement, Gynocentrism & India | Ft. Vasanth Veluri

  1. This is indeed a very interesting video. I was intrigued by Paul Elam’s view about the influence of the approach taken by Indian MRAs on his own thinking. It is always educational to see the views from other parts of the world. And to see things through different lenses.
    “Across a 31-country average, more than half of people (54 per cent) believe that when it comes to giving women equal rights things have gone “far enough” in their country.” From a Telegraph report of an annual survey done by Ipsos. There are some interesting variations across those 31 countries, including the UK, however one strong theme coming from this survey is that each year the proportions believing its has gone far enough or “too far” has grown. And if you look at the data this reflects the views of young men in particular. Indeed the official report worries about this growing “divide” between the views of younger men and their female peers. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes
    Interestingly this is reflected in this country; “And a large minority of the British public ­­– two in five (43%) people – say we have gone so far in promoting women’s equality that we are discriminating against men. A majority of men (53%) agree with this view, as well as a third of women (33%)” And this is reflected more in younger cohorts of men. Who to be honest are most likely to have been discriminated against in Education, recruitment (often illegally such as in the RAF case last year) promotions and access to training, and of course if unlucky enough to be entangled in the family court system. As well as the negatives in the “culture war” such as accusations of “toxic masculinity” etc.
    The originators of the report, of course, seem clueless as to the reasons for this “socially conservative” shift in younger men, and their research debunks the idea that its social media and Andrew Tate. And then worry that if they don’t listen to young men then the “gap” will be filled by “social media”. Of course they don’t consider that this is the lived experience of many men, specially young men, (because somehow only women have lived experience), nor the obvious logic that if you discriminate for a group you are inevitably discriminating against the other group/s and the latter are likely to notice after a while.
    It suggests that this “gap” is the area that campaigners for actual equal rights should focus on.

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  2. As an illustration of the inability of the “left” to be relevant to young men ,transfixed by the feminist ideology that all males are inherently bad. This Guardian article identifies their problem. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/mar/02/positive-male-role-models-detoxifying-social-media-manosphere
    “But there is an asymmetry in some discussion around toxic influencers, notes Saul Parker..Where young women are encouraged to seek out positive role models for their own good, young men are frequently encouraged to seek out positive role models so that they treat women better.”
    Which sums up a big part of Jordan Peterson’s appeal to young men, as he’s openly concerned to be helpful to them.
    However the writer admits that in fact the feminists and leftists have no idea how to do this:
    “You’ve got a generation of guys who have been born into quite a difficult conversation about patriarchy and its impact on women’s lives,” Parker says. “And as a result, they see themselves in a place where they feel like they are third-class citizens. And it’s very hard, especially on the left, to accept that young men are struggling a bit and need help.”

    A gap that is similar to the one talked about in India, though not the same, and one the Indian movement seeks to fill in their context. Perhaps our (UK) gaps could be fertile ground by listening to the experiences of young men and focusing on validating and meeting their experience.

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