Feminists have trampled over the rights of men and boys in order to privilege women and girls for decades, and women – with vanishingly rare exceptions e.g. Erin Pizzey – have done absolutely nothing by way of challenging them, or protesting. I don’t think we’ve ever had a woman attend an anti-MGM protest – where we’re protesting against the mutilation of the genitals of BABIES. So forgive me if I don’t hold my breath waiting for women in any numbers to support us with anything other than warm words i.e. virtue signalling.
I think I,m more optimistic, perhaps more in line with you comment on MRA UK. The “honey badgers” come to mind as do some real stalwarts in setting up and supporting DV services for men. Even those like Mary Curnock-Cook and the head of the Barristers Association who point out “systematic injustice” or the ladies of TCW, even though they are apt to fall back into gynocentric traditionalism sometimes. And to be frank now we have a load of women “in power” their failings are eroding the myth of female moral superiority.
In a sense the really big job is to do with men, to somehow get a significant number of men in power to behave rationally rather than obey they chivalric instincts and blindly follow. The feminists didn’t “take” power generally blokes simply handed it on a plate. In fact the alacrity with which the feminists demands were met in the late sixties and early seventies, at a time when men, numerically at least, were in “power”. Is proof positive of the absence of “Patriarchy” (or its compete and total impotence).
‘Allowed to go so far before their own gender turns on them and starts voicing against them.‘
In my experience, women tend to unproductive activity or listless inactivity unless directed, avoid conflict and flee from danger; they have a ‘hive mind’, as even The Yardley Gob has conceded, a perception supported by, for example, the unthinking adoption of every new fashion or diet fad, no matter how absurd. One way of thinking of women generally is as sheep. I have never heard of sheep turning on the dogs driving them, even when, as in Far from the Madding Crowd, the dog is so immature, so high spirited and so uncontrollable as to be effectively mad, and is driving the sheep over a cliff edge.
‘Believe me, the deep love we have for the men in our lives is far greater than any love we have for any notion of a sisterhood.‘
Really? I’m sure several of the men who regularly read this blog, even if they do not comment here, can recall many instances of hearing covens of bitter little women competing to deride the men in their lives. Believe me, I’ve witnessed it many times, often in the presence of the men suffering derision.
That notwithstanding, what women who are more attached to men than to womankind, to the extent that they hold an uncharacteristic sense of fair play towards men, feel is irrelevant since the women driving the revolution do not have that sense of fairness and too often express violent antipathy to us. Such women are almost equally as contemptuous of the wishes and interests of those women who are not fanatically driven to emasculate and enslave men. That women can be just as vicious to other women as they are to men is clear from the domestic violence statistics: the most violent relationships are lesbian.
‘If women were to see that happening to their men’s lives, it wouldn’t then be a big leap for women to then extend their deep feelings of protectiveness and compassion that they have for the males in their lives further to males as a class.‘
That isn’t going to happen because it never has. It never has because it cannot, which position is implicit in William Collins’ article (women have effectively bred self-interest out of men by selecting men who put women first, which necessarily means that women put men second). It is men, not women, who have ‘feelings of protectiveness and compassion’ so deep that the needs and interests of others are put before their own. Women who see men’s comfort and well-being as of greater importance than their own are as numerous as unicorns, in my experience – I haven’t come across one yet, in nearly 62 years. Even were that otherwise, having ‘compassion’, as women understand it, is useless without the ability to take action, and women tend to leave action to men, especially when it involves difficulty, dirt or danger.
‘Williams (sic) hasn’t factored in this group of women into his vision.‘
William,
‘Women tend to unproductive activity or listless inactivity’
At first glance I thought I can’t believe I’ve just read that.
I thought what a crazy statement. I’ve tried to work out what you might have meant by it.
Perhaps this statement might apply to women in socio-economic extremes,
perhaps in a benefits/underclass cultural context or
the extremely wealthy ‘ladies who lunch’,spending their days in hairdresser/beauty salons context.
But in my experience, the vast majority of women in the middle are highly productive, busy, energetic and driven in their every day lives.
If by ‘tend to unproductive activity or listless inactivity’ you mean in the context of being apathetic and inactive in challenging and confronting unfavourable/harmful political, cultural, social developments then this is true of many women and men.
I don’t know how right you are or what proportion of women are as you suggest
influenced by peer group pressure, blindly, unthinkingly following ‘group think’ no matter what stupid paths ‘group think’ might lead them down.
All I can say is we’re not all like that.I’m definitely NOT a sheep blindly driven by radical feminists.
They don’t speak ‘for me’, or ‘to me’. They don’t ‘reach me.’ I’m completely immune to their influence.
I’ve always lived in Britain, but my home life was seeped in Polish culture.
I’ve lived witnessing two cultures at close hand.
Living a Polish lifestyle on British soil leaves you always feeling a bit of an outsider,
but being an outsider is my ‘comfort zone.’
It’s all I’ve known.
Growing up, my experience of interaction between Polish males and females was really good.There were no gender wars.
Marriages were run on clear gender roles. No one was interested in independence.
It was all about ‘interdependence,’ working cooperatively.It was family centric.
Polish males and females had mutual respect for each other and each others different roles. Women at home and Motherhood were seen as an honourable and essential pursuit. So I now live that lifestyle.
I can’t ever remember one gender routinely ridiculing or talking down the other as a class.
When you recall ‘many instances of hearing covens of bitter little women competing to deride the men in their lives’ did you speak out and say something to them?
You’re right in saying radical feminists would be contemptuous of my wishes interests, lifestyle, but I don’t care what they think as my lifestyle has given me a contented, solid twenty eight year marriage.
Collins model doesn’t fit a Polish cultural marriage.
Polish men and women see each other as different but equal. They’ve been bred to be family centric. Polish women of my generation were bred through the vehicle of Catholicism to serve their families and put everyone else first. That’s completely natural to me and it’s a purpose in life that is completely satisfactory to me.
(I must cut short going on as Mike will accuse me of ‘virtue signalling’ again !!!)
The only other thing I would say is please don’t tell people what they think or feel.
For example you make out it is inconceivable for women to feel compassion or protectiveness for males as a class. I feel these things for males as a class purely because I have no issues with males at all. 95% of males I’ve come across in my fifty four years have been decent, well meaning, good natured human beings.
In little ways in my every day life I have made a stand where I have seen injustice to males as a class. Although perhaps not as radical as you or Mike would like.
All the best to you.
Justice for Men & Boys 
How did your Hyde Park session go, Mike?
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Feminists have trampled over the rights of men and boys in order to privilege women and girls for decades, and women – with vanishingly rare exceptions e.g. Erin Pizzey – have done absolutely nothing by way of challenging them, or protesting. I don’t think we’ve ever had a woman attend an anti-MGM protest – where we’re protesting against the mutilation of the genitals of BABIES. So forgive me if I don’t hold my breath waiting for women in any numbers to support us with anything other than warm words i.e. virtue signalling.
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I think I,m more optimistic, perhaps more in line with you comment on MRA UK. The “honey badgers” come to mind as do some real stalwarts in setting up and supporting DV services for men. Even those like Mary Curnock-Cook and the head of the Barristers Association who point out “systematic injustice” or the ladies of TCW, even though they are apt to fall back into gynocentric traditionalism sometimes. And to be frank now we have a load of women “in power” their failings are eroding the myth of female moral superiority.
In a sense the really big job is to do with men, to somehow get a significant number of men in power to behave rationally rather than obey they chivalric instincts and blindly follow. The feminists didn’t “take” power generally blokes simply handed it on a plate. In fact the alacrity with which the feminists demands were met in the late sixties and early seventies, at a time when men, numerically at least, were in “power”. Is proof positive of the absence of “Patriarchy” (or its compete and total impotence).
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‘Allowed to go so far before their own gender turns on them and starts voicing against them.‘
In my experience, women tend to unproductive activity or listless inactivity unless directed, avoid conflict and flee from danger; they have a ‘hive mind’, as even The Yardley Gob has conceded, a perception supported by, for example, the unthinking adoption of every new fashion or diet fad, no matter how absurd. One way of thinking of women generally is as sheep. I have never heard of sheep turning on the dogs driving them, even when, as in Far from the Madding Crowd, the dog is so immature, so high spirited and so uncontrollable as to be effectively mad, and is driving the sheep over a cliff edge.
‘Believe me, the deep love we have for the men in our lives is far greater than any love we have for any notion of a sisterhood.‘
Really? I’m sure several of the men who regularly read this blog, even if they do not comment here, can recall many instances of hearing covens of bitter little women competing to deride the men in their lives. Believe me, I’ve witnessed it many times, often in the presence of the men suffering derision.
That notwithstanding, what women who are more attached to men than to womankind, to the extent that they hold an uncharacteristic sense of fair play towards men, feel is irrelevant since the women driving the revolution do not have that sense of fairness and too often express violent antipathy to us. Such women are almost equally as contemptuous of the wishes and interests of those women who are not fanatically driven to emasculate and enslave men. That women can be just as vicious to other women as they are to men is clear from the domestic violence statistics: the most violent relationships are lesbian.
‘If women were to see that happening to their men’s lives, it wouldn’t then be a big leap for women to then extend their deep feelings of protectiveness and compassion that they have for the males in their lives further to males as a class.‘
That isn’t going to happen because it never has. It never has because it cannot, which position is implicit in William Collins’ article (women have effectively bred self-interest out of men by selecting men who put women first, which necessarily means that women put men second). It is men, not women, who have ‘feelings of protectiveness and compassion’ so deep that the needs and interests of others are put before their own. Women who see men’s comfort and well-being as of greater importance than their own are as numerous as unicorns, in my experience – I haven’t come across one yet, in nearly 62 years. Even were that otherwise, having ‘compassion’, as women understand it, is useless without the ability to take action, and women tend to leave action to men, especially when it involves difficulty, dirt or danger.
‘Williams (sic) hasn’t factored in this group of women into his vision.‘
You don’t seem to have understood the article.
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William,
‘Women tend to unproductive activity or listless inactivity’
At first glance I thought I can’t believe I’ve just read that.
I thought what a crazy statement. I’ve tried to work out what you might have meant by it.
Perhaps this statement might apply to women in socio-economic extremes,
perhaps in a benefits/underclass cultural context or
the extremely wealthy ‘ladies who lunch’,spending their days in hairdresser/beauty salons context.
But in my experience, the vast majority of women in the middle are highly productive, busy, energetic and driven in their every day lives.
If by ‘tend to unproductive activity or listless inactivity’ you mean in the context of being apathetic and inactive in challenging and confronting unfavourable/harmful political, cultural, social developments then this is true of many women and men.
I don’t know how right you are or what proportion of women are as you suggest
influenced by peer group pressure, blindly, unthinkingly following ‘group think’ no matter what stupid paths ‘group think’ might lead them down.
All I can say is we’re not all like that.I’m definitely NOT a sheep blindly driven by radical feminists.
They don’t speak ‘for me’, or ‘to me’. They don’t ‘reach me.’ I’m completely immune to their influence.
I’ve always lived in Britain, but my home life was seeped in Polish culture.
I’ve lived witnessing two cultures at close hand.
Living a Polish lifestyle on British soil leaves you always feeling a bit of an outsider,
but being an outsider is my ‘comfort zone.’
It’s all I’ve known.
Growing up, my experience of interaction between Polish males and females was really good.There were no gender wars.
Marriages were run on clear gender roles. No one was interested in independence.
It was all about ‘interdependence,’ working cooperatively.It was family centric.
Polish males and females had mutual respect for each other and each others different roles. Women at home and Motherhood were seen as an honourable and essential pursuit. So I now live that lifestyle.
I can’t ever remember one gender routinely ridiculing or talking down the other as a class.
When you recall ‘many instances of hearing covens of bitter little women competing to deride the men in their lives’ did you speak out and say something to them?
You’re right in saying radical feminists would be contemptuous of my wishes interests, lifestyle, but I don’t care what they think as my lifestyle has given me a contented, solid twenty eight year marriage.
Collins model doesn’t fit a Polish cultural marriage.
Polish men and women see each other as different but equal. They’ve been bred to be family centric. Polish women of my generation were bred through the vehicle of Catholicism to serve their families and put everyone else first. That’s completely natural to me and it’s a purpose in life that is completely satisfactory to me.
(I must cut short going on as Mike will accuse me of ‘virtue signalling’ again !!!)
The only other thing I would say is please don’t tell people what they think or feel.
For example you make out it is inconceivable for women to feel compassion or protectiveness for males as a class. I feel these things for males as a class purely because I have no issues with males at all. 95% of males I’ve come across in my fifty four years have been decent, well meaning, good natured human beings.
In little ways in my every day life I have made a stand where I have seen injustice to males as a class. Although perhaps not as radical as you or Mike would like.
All the best to you.
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