Police chiefs debate possibility of making misogyny a hate crime

An absurd piece in HuffPo. It’s perfectly reasonable to hate Maria Miller MP, Jess Phillips MP, Yvette Balls MP, Harriet Harman MP, Sue Fish, Alison Saunders, and many other women who use their power and influence to attack the human rights of men and boys, but that doesn’t make it misogyny. Likewise, hating manginas such as ACC Mark Hamilton isn’t evidence of misandry.

8 thoughts on “Police chiefs debate possibility of making misogyny a hate crime

  1. A couple of points. The first is that the Equality Act gives protection on the basis of sex not a particular sex so it would be entirely within the current law to point out that misandry would have to be included as the protected characteristic is sex not “woman” . The second is that in the consultations about the new offence of Domestic Abuse in the 2015 Serious Crimes Act mens and fathers groups were enthusiastic in support of including emotional abuse. As the frustration of contact (which family courts refuse to punish) and parental alienation would fit into emotional abuse and may give an alternative avenue to enforce contact. I think it no coincidence that the feminist lobby quietly dropped their support for emotional abuse etc. being included. So the Act finally as written is about the repeated violence and creation of “fear” of violence (in fact playing on the established tradition of “wife beater” and dropping more subtle possibilities).
    My point being that should this come up as some serious proposals mens groups should campaign on the Equality/include misandry line and it may well be that this idea fades if feminists see that this becomes an offence or aggravating factor that may be applied to women. Like Facebook’s application

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    • ‘Hate crimes’ are confusing because they are not crimes. They are simply a statistic gathered by the police intended to show the level of hate crime present. In practice they are a tool for lobby groups to campaign for changes in priorities or the law.

      In addition it is an aggravating factor in sentencing if the crime is motivated by racial hatred etc.

      In practice however gender neutral a definition maybe it will be applied in a very unequal way. The possibility of it being applied against women is, in practice, an almost empty threat because the police and courts will simply not enforce it even handly. Everyone onvolved knows this. Even if they did it is illogical for motivation by hate to be an aggravating factor so much as an abscense of a mitigation. If for example a violent attack wa sprovoked by severe and sutained provocation that would be a mitigiation. If motivated by hatred against a group there would be no such provocation.

      The point of adding misogyny as a ‘hate crime’ is to create propaganda which will help to create an environment in which further legislation with an anti-male effect can be introduced.

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  2. I think this is a wind-up piece with the intention of intially spreading ‘alarm and desponency’, and a secondary purpose of
    threat and harassment.
    P.M. May is too weak and brexit damaged risk that piece of pi**ing into the wind legislation at the moment, (a pithy phrase that was surely made for the circumstance) and would not risk an election with that stick of dynamite in the offing.
    She might be guilty of incompetence and and ineptitude but that’s not quite the same as possessing a death wish.

    It does however, shew yet again how pernicious the usual suspects and ‘Gang of Four’, Miller, Phillips, Fish and Saunders are.
    Let there be no doubt they intend serious harm and would like to vist grief on half the population if they could.

    By the way It would, if it came to pass, also raise a particularly serious problem for the legislators – what would they do if the ‘misogygnist’ was another woman?

    Tricky one.

    As for Mark Hamilton what do we know about him?
    Oh yes I remember now – he played Luke Skywalker in Star Wars didn’t he?

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  3. Just the other day, as I was driving on the A2, passing the Bean ‘interchange’ approaching the M25 and twice missed by no more than two feet being clipped on the nearside front wing by drivers joining from the slip road and cutting recklessly across three lanes of traffic moving at seventy miles per hour, I thought to myself ‘The Police’ need to sort their priorities out and make misogyny a ‘hate crime’.

    More seriously, police ‘chiefs’ need to be reminded that it is their business to ensure that the laws made by parliament are enforced and not to trouble themselves with thinking up and making unnecessary, absurd, insupportable, discriminatory, unconstitutional and unjust laws. This is what happens when weak and cowardly politicians can be bullied by over-mighty public servants with an appetite for authority without responsibility or accountability.

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  4. A bit of a tangent, but our political establishment is out to lunch imo.

    I am given to understand they recently convened an emergency session or similar to debate a Trump tweet.

    They seem to have completely given themselves over to posturing in a political theatre before an imaginary audience.

    It is a sad state of affairs, and am not surprised by this sort of proposal, parliament is now a sewing circle, rather than a place where important matters are discussed, let alone debated.

    Has there been a session where they discuss our 50 billion payment to the EU?

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  5. Its already happening on the ground with various local forces, so it wouldn’t surprise me if feminists ended up going down the same path as BME reps and the Gay/Trans lobbies. If it doesn’t happen here it will happen somewhere soon, and then we will copy them. Once again, I marvel at the foresight of the US founders, who made sure the First Amendment was around to stop this sort of ideological “crimespeak” laws from ever making it onto the law books of the US. We need a written constitution.

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  6. We should not forget that section 2e of the Istanbul Convention intends to “take concrete action to combat intolerance, in particular with a view to eliminating racism, colour bias, ethnic discrimination, religious intolerance, totalitarian ideologies, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-feminism and homophobia.” Just re-name anti-feminism as misogyny and there you have it.

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