Our thanks to John for this. A backlash is long overdue, in tech and elsewhere.
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Our thanks to John for this. A backlash is long overdue, in tech and elsewhere.
Justice for Men & Boys 
A welcome and inevitable development, however, at present almost useless since it is not legally possible to exclude women from the corporate workplace, so we must hope that justified resentment develops into political action.
One of the ways in which men can have some control over whom they work with is to form co-operatives and loose, informal partnerships.
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Excluding women from the corporate workplace is the kind of ideal that still makes me uncomfortable with the MRM (to which I am relatively new). Why actively exclude women? Surely the idea is to prevent men being excluded?
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Just out of interest, how old are you?
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Why do you ask?
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I don’t see it as excluding women, just excluding people of no merit, non team players and basically those who are toxic for the environment.
The fact that so many of “these ” people are women is down to( my personal opinion) the idea that they had been promoted with out merit thanks to political correctness and affirmative action( for what is NOT a minority group) above and beyond other diverse groups that need support( race, age, disability etc)
men usually aren’t in such a position as they don’t get promoted without merit.
the days of when a person was promoted because they were “best mates” with the boss, or went to school with so and so are seriously diminished.
tech companies 30-40 years ago were considered quite open and above the old boy network and other such political groups.
they don’t want to exclude women, they want to exclude the troublemakers who show no resilience to adverse conditions( which by the nature of disruptive tech will happen)
These troublemakers are being enabled by those with a personal axe to grind( ellen pao is a classic example).
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Very interesting point. As you say the whole point in these new industries was indeed that they did things differently to get things done.
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Rob, I think your points are all fair. I was responding to William’s comment about it not being legal to exclude women, which I understood to mean excluding them systematically as a demographic group. It is (at the time of writing) perfectly legal if politically inexpedient to avoid employing individuals you consider incompetent, even if they are a member of a ‘protected group’. That strikes me as a better approach.
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thank you for an open minded approach to this.
much nicer than facing a harpy screaming “cry me a river” and pulling fire alarms !
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I agree with you Colin, I’m unclear why we would want to replace a feminist movement which is about superiority with a mans movement which is about superiority. There are some good women in the workplace and I have no problem with them getting on by their own merit. Positive action (or discrimination) is another matter though, especially when it spills over from work into public services such as education, health, criminal justice etc. and that should be fought against.
Maybe William can clarify his point please?
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Colin, no one is saying total exclusion of women is required. What they are saying is that most women can not match the tech abilities of most men and then try to get promoted on the basis of made up gender discrimination allegations. While the reality is that women ARE genetically programmed to be more nurturing than competitive, and especially in the technical world. That’s why the man got fired ,for saying this obvious truth.
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To clarify, I was responding to William’s comment, in which he regrets that women can’t legally be excluded from the corporate workplace, not to the article.
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I see no reason to exclude women. The issues are the modern culture of hyper-sensitivity and expectation of special treatment for women and the various public and private bodies that back this up. What is important is that women can be treated the same as men and do not cause truble when treated in the same way as men.
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Push back is starting everywhere but the lunatics are still in charge of the asylum.
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If we can’t state the obvious truths on grounds of political correctness and feminism, our entire economy will decline. A brave man for saying what needs to said. Forget customs and traditions. They got in the way of the 21st century reality.
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The EHRC has launched a fund to fight discrimination cases in Education. In STEM and other fields male students face direct discrimination (bursaries,additional classes, fees paid, cheap loans to female students) as well as other discrimination. So it may just help someone fund a case.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/legal-casework/legal-support-project/legal-support-project-discrimination-education?utm_campaign=%7b~messageName~%7d&utm_source=emailCampaign&utm_content=%7b~mailVariationId~%7d&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GB+e-newsletter+%7C+September+2017+FINAL&utm_source=emailCampaign&utm_content=&utm_medium=email
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Reflecting I think its interesting the age issue. The article takes the line of some industries becoming “safe spaces” for men. There may be truth in that as experience in Sweden and here shows that the growth of feminist policies is associated with more “gender segregation” of industries not less. For instance health services, social care, teaching have become less “diverse” over time in terms of gender. Though there is also the fact (very evident in Sweden) that women crowd into publicly funded industries for the practical reason they are far more “flexible” in terms of time off.
However I wonder if the “backlash” doesn’t also reflect the very fact that younger men have has diversity and equality education. And they actually expect equity of treatment precisely because they don’t have a “weaker vessel” attitude to their female age peers.
The feminist advance was made by men. Men all too eager to believe in the need to champion women and accede to their demands. In effect a clever use of a very traditional attitude by feminists themselves. One only needs to see the parade of suspended and community sentences to see precisely this “benevolent” sexism alive and well today.
I do suspect, like in the case of Cassie Jaye, if the “fake facts” of feminists can be pushed aside then the glaring inequalities perhaps become clearer to a younger men (and women) paradoxically less willing to be “gentlemen”.
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De- protecting part time and flexible working would help both men and older women .
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