Discussion with Lorely Burt MP on the gender pay gap

Lorely Burt is a Lib Dem MP, PPS to Danny Alexander, Treasury Secretary. She retained her seat (Solihull) with just 179 votes in 2010, so hopefully she’s making plans for alternative employment after May 7.

Almost three hours ago – from 07:05, to be precise – I was engaged in a discussion with Ms Burt on Pete Morgan’s programme on BBC Radio WM (West Midlands). We’ll have the edited piece on our YT library in a week or two, but in the meantime you can catch it here for seven days. The piece is over 1:05:57 – 1:14:55, and some time after 2:00 someone from the TUC was due to comment on the report they’ve produced with the Fawcett Society, which is published today. Can’t wait to read it…

About Mike Buchanan

I'm a men's human rights advocate, writer, and publisher. My primary focus is leading the political party I launched in 2013, Justice for Men & Boys (and the women who love them). I still work actively on two campaigns I launched in early 2012, Campaign for Merit in Business and the Anti-Feminism League. In 2014 I launched The Alternative Sexism Project, aiming to raise public understanding that the sexism faced by men and boys has far more grievous consequences than the sexism faced by women and girls.
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  • Raymond Barry

    Excellent debate, Mike. You had the Government’s Women in Enterprise Champion floundering, with no answer to the simple, honest facts you put to her. Those who promote the feminist theories for the glass ceiling and gender pay gap have become so used to not being opposed that they are left in shock when someone has the temerity to do so.

  • Good debate Mike you forced Lorely Burt to admit that the wage gap is due to women’s choices and not discrimination.

    Why is it that feminists insist on trying to bully and shame women into going back to work after having children, when most women recognise that the best thing for their child, especially in its first 3-4 years, is to have a close 1:1 relationship with its mother, not being dumped in a crèche along with 30 other infants, to be ‘looked after’ by some frazzled teenager?

    I was also struck by this exchange:

    Mike: Men work longer hours in tougher jobs
    Lorely: Oh I feel sorry for them, I really do!

    Can I suggest that the next time you debate with a female M.P. and she makes a snarky, childish comment like that, you remind her that she was elected to represent ALL her constituents and not just the women?

    Ms. Burt was elected as M.P. for Solihull in 2010 by a wafer-thin margin of 175 votes. I hope that male voters noted her contemptuous attitude towards them and vote accordingly next year.

  • Just listened to it Mike. What an absolutely horrible woman. Her “oh I feel so sorry” for men working harder and longer hours says all you need to know about this harridan. The truth hurts these people every time. Your solid and reasoned debating technique wins out every time. The truly horrific element to the debate is the fact that this person got elected and has power over men and women life choices. Truly horrific.

  • Well done Mike. I think one should ” sound bite” her sarky remarks about her hard working male constituents. Clearly if one partner is going to stop or do less paid work the other will try to fill the gap. Constantly our elected representatives appear to completely ignore the reality for most people in this country. That choices where they do exist , often involve compromises or trade offs. For my part I’m perfectly content with legal and policy equity and then seeing what choices people make ( and then them “owning” the results ( outcomes in today’s jargon). To me it seems perfectly possible that more men may take a lead caring role in the future and more women a lead earning role. In some senses it would be a bit easier as then maybe there’d be less whining about fictitious “gaps” or expectations for tax payer funded privileges.
    But most of all in this case the MP should represent respectfully all her constituents.

  • I follow politicos reasonably well and I’ve never come across this idiot MP before and apparently she’s been in Parliament for almost a decade! You absolutely wiped the floor with her Mike. She had absolutely nothing to offer for the first 90% of that discussion, though did actually start to make perhaps her only decent point towards the end about getting fathers involved in children’s lives.

    My only criticism would be that while you quite frankly made her look like an absolute fool most of the time, you diid let her occupy the ground in terms of equality for fathers and therefore let her try paint you as the bad guy there. Maybe once you’d ripped her to shreds so comprehensively on the work and business side of things you should have then challenged Lorely and her government on its failure to introduce shared parenting (and of course declared your total support for it).

    One last point is that I’m always amazed at how many female MPs are stupid enough to believe in feminist nonsense. it’s seems to be almost oblatory these days for labour and Lib Dems MPs in particular to be part of the cult which is feminism, why can’t we have female MPs who are actually interested in representing all their constituents instead of the 51% who happen to be female?

  • @nrjnigel

    The elephant in the room that I think that you are overlooking, is women’s hypergamy.

    If a man were to put his career on hold in order to look after the kids, it’s a racing certainty that his wife, who has taken on the role of breadwinner, would begin to resent him, see him as unmanly and ditch him for a higher earning man, at the first opportunity.

    You can’t wish away hard-wired behaviour.

  • vadark

    Bloody brilliant interview once again, Mike! It made my day listening to you wiping the floor with her. She came across as totally flustered by your counter-arguments, which obviously left her completely deflated by the end – you most definitely came out on top. Great stuff and thank you again for the fantastic work you do. You’re 20 years ahead of your time! Keep up these interviews as it’s a key strategy that raises awareness and gets people thinking.